A Two Tiered, Untiered OTL

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For those that don't follow the Overload Teams League, here are some examples of somewhat common scores: a close 96-93 game, a double-your-score 125-62 blowout, a comfortable 84-52 win, and a please PuDLeZ don't ever put 10 people into Indika again 283-252 throwdown.

And then there's this.

That's two-time OTL champion Invidia taking out winless Rogue Pilots by the score of 110 to 5. Ouch.

Here are the all time records that this game produced:

  • Highest Team KDA: 26.4
  • Fewest Team Deaths: 5
  • Highest Team Damage per Death: 2600.8
  • Highest Individual KDA: 84.0
  • Fewest Individual Deaths in 2v2: 1
  • Highest Individual Damage per Death: 8196.6

You may not understand these numbers, but rest assured, they are impossible numbers to get, especially given RP decided they're not playing anymore with their current roster until they can get some more pilots on their team.

Immediately, questions across the league were asked about why such a game should be counted. The answers are many, as are the arguments against. I sat on this for a couple days, thinking of a way to resolve this.

The obvious first solution is to divide the league into 2 tiers. Only count games when upper tier teams play upper tier teams and when lower tier teams play lower tier teams. On the surface, this sounds like a great idea until you realize there are only 11 teams, plus Rogue Pilots, which means that if we did this, we would essentially be dividing the league into two tiny tiers. Then you'd have to worry about league promotion/demotion tournaments and all kinds of other unpleasantries that an 11 team league simply does not have the patience for. This also has the drawback of disallowing play between lower tier teams and upper tier teams, at least from the formalized perspective. Sure, we could count "practice" games, but I am not made of enough time to track those practice games in this small of a league. I feel like the point at which I do something like this would be at 16 teams.

The second solution is to mark a team on a case-by-case basis as a practice squad. This would mean that the OTL is exclusive, and requires teams to prove themselves before they can start playing games that mean something. It would require manual intervention to get teams into the main league before they started playing games that count. That is not what the OTL is about. I am fine with teams that don't have skilled players trying to learn by playing against teams with skilled players. However, something has to be done about the current situation.

Putting everything together, I thought about what could work and what couldn't work. I don't want to exclude anyone, but I don't want to have the "NBA champions vs. bad high school basketball team" count for records. So, I came up with a system that allows those games to happen, but for the stats not to fully count.

The answer is an two tiered, untiered league.

It is untiered because a championship team can play a winless team, and have the game be meaningful on a league-wide level (provided the winless team decides to remain active). The standings page simply doesn't change. All teams are listed and rated accordingly.

What is two-tiered, however, shows up in individual stats. Going forward, individual stats are only displayed for games played vs. the upper league. That means when Rogue Pilots plays Invidia, Invidia is not playing for personal stats, only a team win. Rogue Pilots, however, do get to play for individual stats. That way, everyone's stats - from the top team to the bottom team - show their performance against only the upper league teams, and they can be reasonably compared. You can still see a pilot's stats against the entire league by going to their pilot page and selecting the appropriate option. However, everywhere else only shows stats vs. upper league teams.

This, of course, leads to the question of who is in the upper league and who is in the lower league. I thought about this, and again did not want to be exclusionary by saying only RP should be in the lower league. So, I have retroactively applied the following formula to determine who is upper and lower league:

  • The first eight teams in the league are automatically assigned upper league.
  • All new teams thereafter are assigned lower league.
  • At the conclusion of the season ending tournaments, the league is re-divided, with the six teams that make the knockout stage plus two other teams assigned to the upper league.
  • In seasons that have it, the two finalists of the season-ending Best of the Rest II tournament are the other two teams that make the upper league. In seasons that don't have it, the top two teams by the previous season's rating that did not make the knockout bracket make the upper league.

There are obvious caveats with this. First, one of the newest teams in the league, The Boys, are made of pilots that came from other upper league teams. They're pretty good, too, The Boys hold 3rd in the current season standings. Should they be lower league? The answer is yes. This is still a new team with a new dynamic that other teams need to become familiar with, so for a single season TB is considered lower league. Once they finish the Championships in the top 8 - and I have no doubt they will as half of their team was a large part of OMG's recent run of top 4 OTL finishes - they can be assigned to the upper league.

Second, if a team leaves the league mid-season, what should happen? One, that team loses the right to be upper tier, even if they return later that season. Two, there needs to be a way to fill the spot, and that will fall to 3rd place from the most recent Best of the Rest II tournament.

Third, if a team chooses to sit out of the Season Championships, what should happen? There are teams that aren't quite so competitive that they need to rank themselves in a season ending tournament. However, they may clearly be an upper tier team that just chooses not to play. So, if a team that sits out a tournament was upper tier in a previous season, I think the fairest solution is to play a separate series against the lowest upper tier team after the end of season tournaments are over, and the winner gets that spot.

There are probably other things that I'm not thinking of. It's probably not a perfect system, but to make sure that we're not excluding other teams and at the same time making sure we don't get ridiculous records (Yinut's 0 death game is also out of the record books after this update) that can't be beat under normal circumstances, this will do in a pinch.

There are two other minor changes that result from this update:

  • New teams are automatically set as not qualified to affect ratings (ie: ratings for games played against that team do not count) until they have played everyone 3 times. This is to ensure that teams that show up for half a season and then disband don't hit the ratings at all. Side note: I really need to come up with a term other than "not qualified".
  • Because it's a little more important now, the group stage will be returning to the Best of the Rest II tournament. The specific format of that will depend on how many teams play in it. A 3rd place match will only be played if it is necessary, ie: multiple upper tier teams disband at the end of the Championships.

There is also the ethical angle of the team that carried out that 110 to 5 victory. As of the beginning of the year, there is nothing to be gained for your team by getting 22 times the score of your opponent. It's no different than winning 110 to 109. Did the league's focus on stats make Invidia feel like creating a blowout like this was justified? I would like to think better of our pilots, but I can't discount that possibility either. I've also played in a game against RP where I got an outsized KDA, and all it made me want to do was never play them again, because it simply wasn't a challenge. If stats are a motivator for this kind of thing, I hope that by eliminating the source of motivation, games like these won't happen again, unless the lower team really wants the upper team to go hard.

This is a large update to the league structure. It seems like a lot is changing. But honestly it's a small update overall. I feel I owe it to the league to make sure that incidents such as the 110 to 5 game are just looked at as a footnote, rather than a lightning rod for drastic change. Ultimately, this isn't a drastic change, and it doesn't change the way the league operates on a day to day basis. Only individual stats are affected. The biggest controversy will probably be which team is in what tier, and if that's all that comes of this, this update will be a success.

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Increased my PB by 98K today. That max out is coming. twitch.tv/videos/1816043850

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I think this is a great idea. In fact, I'm going to go mint a coin right now to pay off my house. </s> yahoo.com/news/1-trillion-plat

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Honestly, I half-expected a poop emoji.

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Actually it's by 2 episodes, because I can't count. 🤣

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God dammit, I'm letting my Trekkie show.

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Sorry, but Tuvok beat Sidney by literally one episode.

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Boy gets shot for accidentally going to the wrong address to pick up his brother.

Girl gets shot when the car she's in accidentally pulls into the wrong driveway.

Two girls get shot when one of them accidentally enters the wrong car.

But guns aren't the problem.

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I'm being told this is only the second quad dev in OTL history. PuDLeZ has the first against Invidia.

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From the AIM side, my teammate watching the carnage! clips.twitch.tv/EndearingMuddy

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The rings seem to cap! Maybe at 7, maybe at 8, need more necroscience to find out. I realized this on Death Metal when his score wasn't increasing over 1000x the skeleton's scores with each consecutive hit, and then noticed the ramp combos were maxing out somewhere just north of 100 million.

So maybe the strat is going to go back to getting hearts up to 5 and then stacking rings up to 8?

I'm also still not sure when to use bombs.

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3rd person to 1 billion
2nd person to 10 billion
Maybe 1st person to 100 billion?

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Oh great, now Microsoft is inserting dad jokes into Windows.

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there's a word that describes the feeling I get from assessing a problem, coming up with an algorithm, writing the code, then running it and having everything work as expected first try

that word is "suspicion"

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@warriorbob Did you notice?
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Fuck you, and learn chess.

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Update #2 - Retweets are back :D
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OK, so retweets appear on mobile (iOS at least), just not desktop.
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I can no longer see who retweeted something.

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Nice April Fools' joke my body played on me today, giving me a double charlie horse at 3 AM.

I'm going to tag this with with as much shit as airports and airplanes put your legs through.

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Well the second leg was 100% miserable due to a family behind me who insisted on their kid sitting on their lap, and completely not caring how often and how hard they kicked my seat.

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I got rebooked to an earlier arrival which is good, but that means three flights instead of two, the latter two being zone C, which means two miserable Southwest flights.

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Well at least was kind enough to cancel the second leg of my flight before I even got to the airport. Fuckers.

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And things like this will continue to happen while we have people who hate people in power.

Thank goodness Jboy wasn't there that night. https://t.co/JnadAiBAEq
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli @mastodon.social

I just had to log in to a remote server to fix an error, make a code change to upgrade the discord.js library on that server, reinstall npm packages, copy files into a production web site (otl.gg if you're wondering), and restart IIS. All on a mobile device in a location with terrible reception (NAS Pensacola).

Amazing what you can accomplish with technology these days.

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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli @mastodon.social

That's a really weird fetish, Denny's.

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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli @mastodon.social

On the upside, the middle seat is 400 pounds lighter than last flight.

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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli @mastodon.social

Somehow got to Dallas on time. Now I'm on a flight that has the possibility of a dog running loose. Seriously, I've never seen a non-service pet outside a carrier on a plane before.

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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
Yet another reminder: Bard is Hard. https://t.co/TPS5np994s
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
I knew a few pinball folk that might be able to do this! https://t.co/C31hve4Ttg
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
Wow, @Nifflas's Within a Deep Forest on @GamesDoneQuick? Oh let's go!!!
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Orteil
@Orteil42
i'm so sorry for being that guy but i can't overstate how reminiscent current twitter is of Portal 2 when the entire facility starts to break down because wheatley got so insecure about being called a moron he starts cobbling together abominations that don't work out of spite
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
I'm not sure what spurred on the sudden development and bug fixes in @NollaGames, but I tell you what, I appreciate the heck out of those guys. :)
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Esty8nine (The Game Doctor)
@Esty8nine
Been doing Professional Game Consultation for about 2 Years now.
Did a little talk about what it is and why its SOOOO important for your upcoming games #indiegames
#gamedevelopment #gamedev

Would love if ya checked it out!

https://t.co/rx2M3ALZCm
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
You should definitely read this thread. Great story, culminating in a great video... that takes a very sudden turn. 🤣 https://t.co/smGHMvQXGS
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
I know I have some Manchester game dev folks following me. https://t.co/AsfoBR9ow0
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
This is the first step in removing chronologically ordered posts... They make the algorithm the default option and in a couple of months they will say "oh no one uses chronological posts, so we're removing it".

This is how you make Twitter useless to nearly everyone. https://t.co/Q80AOpifRY
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Ryan Clifford
@RyanClifford
Chris Pronger suffered commotio cordis after taking a slap shot to the chest in 1998.

Praying for a similar recovery and outlook for Damar Hamlin…Pronger was back on the ice weeks later and played 12 more seasons en route to the Hockey Hall of Fame. 🙏
https://t.co/qYfT8kv66s
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@negative__seven
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
Mulling permanently closing this account and never opening this site again. You all are wonderful people, but I question whether this place is worth it anymore. https://t.co/Pmzltt4fXn
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
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Edge cases suck, about as much as people. 🙃
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
Testing to see if I can quote tweet my pinned post. https://t.co/uK8JCQkMhv
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
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Seems like it's on the Cohost/Tumblr side of the aisle in terms of post length and content. It also has optional monetization for your posts, whatever, I won't use that but I'm sure it's a nice option for some.
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
Did anyone get into Post yet? https://t.co/pgszRUZJ1F
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Dexter Castor Döpping
@CastorDopping
Want to play NetHack inside of #Noita? No? Well now you can! https://t.co/2D6eMKP0HO
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
From @MonthlyTetris's Deathmatch, I give you @Martscrusher at his finest. https://t.co/8OhiLrbw9s
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
To all you buzzers out there: Hive is a Bad Idea™. https://t.co/uTjikliP8g
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Crowrevell
@Crowrevell
Did Subnautica update for a more immersive experience or is my place having a small flood?
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
After a 110-5 score line, it became apparent change was needed in the OTL. Well, change is coming. This update should go live tomorrow. https://t.co/j8TwWzLogN
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🌲 cohost.org/arborelia
@arborelia
The value proposition for Mastodon, as a Twitter replacement, has flipped since the last time I tried it:

Mastodon: you might pick the wrong server and have to move away from it
Twitter: you have definitely already picked the wrong service, and you have to move away from it
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GloriousEggroll @gloriouseggroll@fosstodon.org
@GloriousEggroll
Hive needs a desktop website. I am not glued to my phone 24/7
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
Of all the things to go first. 🤣 https://t.co/L0KZ5c8PU3
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
Bump now that people are serious about it. https://t.co/f60lITKAeK
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
"People suck. Don't be people." -roncli 2019 🙃
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Nifflas
@Nifflas
https://t.co/40yzlOfRR0 <-- I don't want to be on a platform run by an abusive leader and overworked staff. I'm so dependent on twitter for my work though, I've got an essential part of my contact network here, but every second I'm here I feel I'm betraying my morals.

Fuck.
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
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Yeah. @BYG_Vancouver. Still awesome. Love that it's the same pose, but in the Rift outfit! https://t.co/8eK89sIKAi
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
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Tumblr may become relevant again, but probably not for a while. There are a number of non-creative projects ahead of it that need doing, so it'll be a while before I regularly put out stuff again. That said, look for something new there in the next few days. 👀
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
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Caveat on Tumblr: I've been there for about 9 years, back when I decided to split my blog between my creative endeavors (Tumblr) and everything else (Blogger). While I still have the account, I'm not very active on it since my creative endeavors have taken a back seat.
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
Yo Twitter folks. You may be making accounts on other sites to hedge your bets when it comes to Twitter's future.

Where did you go? What services do you use?

Me so far:
- Mastodon: @roncli@mastodon.social
- Cohost: https://t.co/dIpEZTcSJl
- Tumblr: https://t.co/U5nc579A4x
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Gary Ashurst🏳️‍🌈
@GaryAshurstArt
Seems the plan now is ad free for paid and free users. Incredible. https://t.co/E5TWV3SDfH
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
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Unless the businesspeople figure out how to successfully do, you know, business, this place's days may very well be numbered.
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
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Being shitty to your workforce, rolling out features no one wants, not addressing PR disasters in a timely or acceptable fashion, belittling a percentage of your user base.
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
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I am taking a business course on information systems at the moment, and this place is hitting on every counterexample we've been learning about.
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
A billionaire practically begging people for single digit dollars over the Internet is peak 2022 capitalism.
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Ronald M. Clifford
@roncli
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That said, if you're going, let me know. I'm not planning to stay long, but I'll definitely make time to say hi. 🙂
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